Vanilla Server vs Modded Server

[Renz]

Our current dedicated server is shared by many members, DAM and TFI alike. It uses a variety of mods to immerse gameplay and make it realistic. However some members here believe it is worth discussing the possibility of running a vanilla server.

Vanilla servers and modded servers both have benefits and downfalls, which I will list.

Modded Server
Good:
- Huge amount of possible content (maps, weapons etc.)
- Huge amount of mods for realism and immersion 
- Less likely to be hacked or trolled by people
- Only trusted people can join

Bad:
- Less accessible to newcomers
- Everyone must stay up to date with mod list
- Possibly lower player count (depending on member online)

Vanilla Server
Good:
- Accessible to everyone
- More likely for new members to join
- Possibly higher player count (does not depend on members)
- No mod list to keep up to date with

Bad:
- Possibility of hackers and trolls
- Less content
- Chat can get clogged

Points made by members:

MJAC: the other problem with all these mods is that, recruitment of new members is eliminated. We also need missions with no mods so that it is open to everybody to have the DAM experience and want to join, our madness.

MO: No mods no fun.If i disable mod checking so free joining for all, it ll create some lag problem.Last option here as you guy said, create some missions with no mod, run server without mods, in some times but i don't play on server like this,because may someone want to join to server and then join to team.i don't kill my joy and fun for that.life is short.Looking for new ppls, use websites,facebook and everywhere that u can share some video, photo, other stuffs so ppls watch it and like it

frosttwocz: Lets make it as DEMO, without mods, just super extra DAM high quality fun DAMn missions.

[Renz]

My point of view

It is important to remember that D.A.M itself started in Arma OA Demo, and we had amazing fun with the little content it provided. Our missions were of the highest quality, and members joined us with incredibly little effort. In fact, we were undoubtedly the most popular server in demo because it was available to everyone.

Back in the Demo golden days, we had such high player counts that our PVP missions were a hell of fun all the time. Once DAM server is started, it's full within minutes and hell hole ready. The army of noobs who came to us were unpredictable and funny to watch, and we owned them all!
It was the noobs who joined us which created the fun, not mods

But from time to time we had trolls and hackers. And yes they messed up the gameplay sometimes. But we won. We conquered them all with our scripting might and awesome DAM missions, using anti friendly fire scripts, anti hacks and mission ideas.

So open the doors to noobs and let them into a vanilla server

I miss owning them

[MO]

- TFI has been down.this one is something else.
Yea, Golden OA demo pvp days

We can do that as you saying, have a vanilla server and create some pvp missions for it.maybe you right, its worth to give a shot

[KSK]

I would also say to give it a try. Idk how strong our virtual machine is, but maybe in future we could run 2 server - as you mentioned already, MO - one vanilla server and one (smaller) for mods. If not possible with our current resources, just keep that in mind.
And what about switching weekly? One week no mods other week with mods!? And make an announcement here and in server...

And one answer to a thingy you wrote, Renz:
"But from time to time we had trolls and hackers. And yes they messed up the gameplay sometimes. But we won. We conquered them all with our scripting might and awesome DAM missions, using anti friendly fire scripts, anti hacks and mission ideas."
- We won, by moving to full game^^ At least some of us did, as soon as Demo was hacked or gameplay fucked up by idiots, we moved to full game. But guess what, even there were times without mods - the way we found my "little brother" - Frosty aka Mr. Magic Voice

[Drak]

Hey all! I miss sweet old times so much as well. They won't go back again in the same form I think, but we should try. There must be said big thanks to all members who made it awesome, especialy those who spent their time by creating missions or hosting servers. As you know I really don't underestand those IT things like servers and all that stuff round it much ;-) , but will support all good ideas like this. D.

[Renz]

We already house a great number of home-made missions for Arma 3, all in good quality. 
A quick conversion would make them vanilla ready.
I'd be willing to convert PVP pack #1, but that would require permission from the author  

[MJAC]

I like Drak am not totally familiar with the technical aspects of this server discussion, but a balance is needed between modded missions and non modded. This way we can recruit and have fun, and then switch to a more serious gaming.

[MO]

hey renz, you can edit/convert any missions that we released here in forum.
I am about releasing a new pvp pack in forum that collecting all last edition of my pvps in 2014.
About the server, no need 2 server, we can run server most time on vanilla profile and if need to run with mod, we can switch to modded server very easy via TADST 3rd party software.

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i need someone give me some note for server .Now i executed the server on vanilla under D.A.M name.Just need some note for server hints to tell guest about mods and our website and some other info what we doing exactly so new folks be aware if they like to join us

[frosttwocz]

We are DAM team.

Have fun with our original missions. No mods.

Here's our sites damteam.proboards.com

So play, enjoy and join or fuck off.

FrostTwoCz,
PR manager

[KSK]

...Simple and easy to remember
But with correct grammar and spelling stuff, please

If you need more stuff, MO, just send me a PM what info you need; I could fill it in.

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And it's true that switching isn't too much a problem - guessing TADST for ArmA III isn't that much different to that for ArmA II -, so that we could change easily.
Back to what I mentioned above: The benefit of a "fixed" date of changing - in what period ever; we can decide - would give the benefit of having players in the no-mod-gameplay and if they like to join our modded stuff, they can see when this gonna be happen and what they would need for it...But maybe I'm too much into a bureaucratic modus - can't hide my origin

[Renz]

I'll start working on a server hint note. But I also want to add some kind of motto to. "Enjoy and join or fuck off " seems to imtimdating ^^. Any ideas?

[MJAC]

how about fuck off or join then?

[frosttwocz]

imtimdating we are not microsoft, HP or apple, we dont have to play it safe (rainbows and smiles), as PR manager, i know that nobody or small % of palyers actualy gonna read that, noobs cant read, better players will join TS and talk. Others can fuck off.

btw. almost noone gonna notice msg in chat or in mission description, put it on map. That insulting part will bring attention

So...

Frost,
general PR manager

[Renz]

lol

[MO]

Help me out about words:


/////////// pvp cops and robbers

"HOW TO PLAY THIS MISSION","
BLUFOR
- Kill all enemy in area.Enemy can't leave building.If you kill all enemy in area, your team get a point

OPFOR
- Kill all enemy.You can't leave fight area, blocked by dead zone.If you kill all enemy in area, your team get a point.

NOTE
- If you die, you will repsawn at safe zone and have to wait for next round.
- In safe zone, stay near the box and use middle role mouse for access to spectate camera.
- Use escape button to close spectate camera.
- To those players join in middle of game, you have to wait for next round.
- Each team reach to 3 point is winner.

Hit the escape Button to close this menu



////////////// suciders
- Defend your base and APC until time run out.
- Attack and destroy the APC.You have VDIED (bomb car) and suisice vest.
- if you die, you ll respawn in safe zone.use yellow box in there and teleport to battlefield.
- Opfor can armed and touch off his suiside vest.Use middle role mouse and first arm it and then touch it off.
- Opfor have 3 armed offroad as VDIED.if you dirce to near any Blufor units, it ll touch off automatic.
- After each round, all units will teleport to new area and next round will begain.
- Each team reach to 3 point is winner.


////////////// rescue hostage

- rescue and escort the hostage to your base before time run out.</t>
- Hold the hostage and stop the enemy to save him until time run out.</t>
- Just blufor can capture and secure the hostage.no such option for opfor.<br />
- Blufor have to stay near the hostage and use middle role mouse and then secure the hostage via action menu.<br />
- If you die, you ll respawn at start point and you can try again.<br />
- Avoid safe zones.red color belong to opfor and blue color belong to blufor.
- <t size='0.8' >Each team reach to 3 point is winner



////////////// prison break

- Search and kill all prisoners before they reach to escpae point until time run out</t>
- Run and head to escape point.Check map and use anything can help you before time run out.</t>
- Atleast 2 priosoner should stay in escape point to win the round.<br />
- Avoid safe zones.Red color area belong to opfor and blue color area belong to blufor.<br />
- If you die, you ll respawn at start point and you can try again.<br />
- Cars area has been protected by safe zone.<br /></t>
- <t size='0.8' >Each team reach to 3 point is winner.<


////////////// hvt

- If your side is attacker Kill enemy high value target.There is a arrow on his head, otherwise defend your high value target.</t>
- If your side is attacker Kill enemy high value target.There is a arrow on his head, otherwise defend your high value target.</t>
- Each team one time is attacker and next round is defender.<br />
- High value target will select by server random between alive players.<br />
- High value target have to hide in good position and his team mate defend him until time run out.<br />
- Open your GPS and see the fight area borders.Don't leave fight area.<br /></t>
- Each team reach to maximum point is winner.Max point selected by server admin.</t>